Charles, Look at the Xyplex terminal servers, They have all the features of the Cisco boxen and are very reliable when I was working for the airlines we would install them in maintenance hangars for terminal access and forget them for years You can purchase them new or they show up on ebay for 1-300 dollars and you can purchase a maintenance agreement for a very reasonable price. They have several lines the 18xx which boot from floppies/tftp/mop and are disco'd but can be had for less than $100 and have most of the feaures of the current 16xx/72x series which boot from flash/tftp the 16xx series is a stackable series and the 72x series goes in the Network 9000 chassis system. You can check out their spec's at www.nbase-xyplex.com. The connection on all of their devices are RJ-45's so cross patching is easy and 3 wire configs do work Hope this helps - Scott "Charles Smith" <chasmith9@hotmail.com>@merit.edu on 05/01/2001 04:12:34 PM Sent by: owner-nanog@merit.edu To: nanog@merit.edu cc: Subject: terminal server recommendation I would like to deploy a terminal server in several of my POPs, however cost is a slight issue. Can anyone on the list recommend a fairly inexpensive terminal server (besides Cisco)? Obviously the terminal server should be reliable and work - it is the little things that count. chas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com