"Anyway, the risk/reward calculation for NOT signing the LRSA right now is really a no-brainer. It's just unfortunate that means I won't get an early start on RPKI." Excellent 1 line summary! Tom Krenn Network Architect Enterprise Architecture - Information Technology -----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tom.krenn=hennepin.us@nanog.org> On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 11:45 PM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@gmail.com> Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: [External] Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023) On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 9:09 PM Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 11:55 AM William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
No, the best option for me right now is that I just don't participate in RPKI and the system has one less participant. And that's a shame.
That's only true in the current environment where RPKI is only used to invalidate bogus routes. When any reachability for RPKI-unknowns is lost, that will change.
Hi Rubens, If you want to bet me on folks ever deciding to discard RPKI-unknowns down in the legacy class C's I'll be happy to take your money.
But it will be too late then to join the system, so you just sell it for USD 50k and start using NAT.
Since I can convert to the regular ARIN RSA at any time and gain access to RPKI the concept of "too late" doesn't really exist here.
Just a calculation: current LRSA fee is USD 150, cap is 25 USD per year increase. 2X-Small is USD 500 per year, so it will take 14 years to reach that level. Pick your poison, NAT or LRSA.
Yah, except at some point I'll get a /48 bumping my $150/yr AS fee up to a $250/yr service fee. Then the delta to add my legacy /23 is only $250. In 4 years, the LRSA fee will be $250, the same amount. But that's not the break-even point. If I wait one year, its $250*3=$750 vs $150+$175+$200+$225=$750. I break even on the legacy fee schedule by waiting just one year and then taking the regular annual fee. Actually, it's a little funkier than that because my AS and /23 are under different org ids. When I do all this, I'll have to pay the one time $500 M&A fee or else in year 5 the LRSA for the /23 plus the $250/yr for IPv6 and an AS will actually cost more than $500/yr and will keep growing annually to $750. Anyway, the risk/reward calculation for NOT signing the LRSA right now is really a no-brainer. It's just unfortunate that means I won't get an early start on RPKI. Regards, Bill Herrin -- For hire. https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbill.herri... Disclaimer: If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please immediately notify the sender of the transmission error and then promptly permanently delete this message from your computer system.