laptop plugged into an internet shop's ether in bologna. i decided to trace to an address i had roam.psg.com:/etc# traceroute 139.7.30.125 traceroute to 139.7.30.125 (139.7.30.125), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1) 0.256 ms 0.199 ms 0.137 ms 2 192.168.20.1 (192.168.20.1) 3.208 ms 0.929 ms 0.826 ms 3 37.255.104.1 (37.255.104.1) 4.618 ms 3.974 ms 3.799 ms 4 10.3.6.91 (10.3.6.91) 4.371 ms 3.890 ms 3.863 ms 5 10.3.7.9 (10.3.7.9) 3.904 ms 3.745 ms 3.790 ms 6 10.254.1.181 (10.254.1.181) 3.859 ms 3.925 ms 3.850 ms 7 213.140.31.133 (213.140.31.133) 8.148 ms 8.039 ms 8.150 ms 8 81.208.50.6 (81.208.50.6) 8.231 ms 8.073 ms 8.042 ms 9 mno-vcn-i1-geth3-0.telia.net (213.248.103.229) 8.155 ms 8.357 ms 8.234 ms ... note the 37.xxxx address. cute, eh? and i thought omphaloskepsis was greek! randy