The slopes of the curves maintained by Geoff, Erik and Tony appear to be steepening, and while 10**5 routes is a no-brainer to a modern core router, 10**6 is hard, and nothing known will deal with 10**7. We all save enormous money by making sure CIDR keeps the curve as flat as reasonably possible. It seems that getting people to be good aggregators is pretty tricky, in part because alot of the offenders don't seem to have the time to follow the operational forums in which their names come up again and again. At the last IEPG I suggested we collectively send "slot-occupation" bills for small numbers of dollars per long prefix to the worst offenders, in hopes they get the message, or pay each of us for necessary equipment upgrades, operational costs, R&D, and so forth. Since nobody seems as crazy as me, it was counter-suggested that I start a charitable clearing-house, which would send out bills on behalf of "everyone" to the baddies. Hey, maybe some folks will pay, maybe some will aggregate (having gotten the message), while others will have to be handed over to maximally aggressive collections agencies, or even *gasp* be subjected to filtering by one or more providers. I have a simple alternative proposal to put pressure on the "bad guys". Project: set up streaming porn servers that, when a source connects from -------- an address block announced by an AS in the list of Tony Bates's top-N bad aggregators, results in a message like this: Dear Prospective User - You are connecting from [A.A.A.A], an IP address in a netblock [P.P.P.P/M] which should be aggregated by your ISP or one of its upstream providers into a longer prefix. Please see the CIDR Report Project at http://www.employees.org/~tbates/ for an indication of the growth of the global routing table, which is an expensive phenomenon exacerbated by your upstream provider(s). REWARD REWARD REWARD If you can convince your upstream provider(s) to aggregate, renumber, or otherwise withdraw [P.P.P.P/M], we will give you FREE XXX hours of FREE access to the streaming porn on this site. Otherwise, please have your credit-card handy. All proceeds go to the charitable fund for the elimination of long prefixes and the drainage of the routing table swamp, much of which is spent on maintaining this excellent source of adult entertainment. Now then, to kick-start the project, we need some bandwidth (easy enough), some sort of content distribution network or server farm (also easy), a studio in a convenient legal jurisdiction (straightforward), lighting, technical support, that kind of thing (simple opex). Oh, and models. Oh Vint, are you busy? We need your sexy strip tease. It's for the good of the Internet, promoting its long-term sustainability and growth. Other suggestions welcome. Sean.