From srh@merit.edu Mon Oct 29 13:34:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9TIYpN17590 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:34:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from srh@merit.edu) Received: from backin5.merit.edu (backin5.merit.edu [198.108.60.28]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FD75DDAE; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:34:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:34:46 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Harris To: Leo Bicknell Cc: nanog-support@merit.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? In-Reply-To: <20011029123305.A15148@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2135 Lines: 50 Leo: I've contacted you twice during the past 16 months about violations of the NANOG mailing list AUP: http://www.nanog.org/aup.thml Again, the current discussion of the political aspects of spam does not conform to the AUP. At your next violation, we'll need to remove your posting priveleges from the list. Susan Harris, Ph.D. Merit Network/Univ. of Mich. On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 12:24:37PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > What exactly does "established business relationship" mean in the > > context of (for example) the NANOG mailing list? (Note that once there > > is a business relationship, there's no requirement that the solicitation > > has to be related - I continually get calls from various financial > > institutions plugging other services) > > Sadly I think we'll always be getting "spammed" by people we do > business with, and I don't think there's any way to write the rules > so this doesn't happen. While slightly more obvious in e-mail, > it's not much different than what happens in other mediums: > > * You get a bill from someone, and in the same envelope they have > flyers for some of their new products. > > * You get a call from your credit card company offering travel > insurance for all the purchases you make on the call. > > * You call customer service for your new computer and while on hold > hear ads about cut-rate internet service. > > I think the legislative presumption needs to be that if you're > doing business with someone then they can contact you about pretty > much anything, and if you don't like their contacting you can end > the business relationship so they can't do it anymore. Writing > rules to eliminate such communications I think would very quickly > start to step on normal business practices, and even if everyone > on nanog wanted that the $$$'s that make business and politics go > around would never go for it. > > -- > Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 > PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ > Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org >