Up here in Canada, iirc, its actually illegal to call yourself an Engineer without a degree. There's something about a bridge falling down in Quebec and killing a whole whack of people that brought that about. That said, Dalhousie University now offers a Masters Degree in Internetworking over seen by Cisco, TARA, Nortel, Bell and others. Pretty neat stuff, and may actually be a good indicator of experience AND book skill... http://www.dal.ca/internetworking ./dave -----Original Message----- Contrary to what appears to be popular belief, there are schools which have Networking programs..For instance, New York Institute of Technology has an AAS in Telecommunications Technology and a BS in Telecommunications Management. Classes include multiple Voice & Data classes, as well as Wireless Networking, Traffic Management, Network Management, LAN/WAN/MAN, Telecom Law/Policy, as well as a slew of Electronics and CompSci classes... All very useful for foundations, and pretty interesting...At least I found it useful and worth the money... Jeff