Of course! Including headers to show authenticity. I was very amused by the 
explanation of the "chicken and egg" problem. Who's creating that? The networks
who refuse to peer with non-peeringdb registered ASNs, or peeringdb who won't 
recognize ASNs that are not peering with anyone because nobody wants to peer 
with them because they are not registered in peeringdb because nobody wants to
peer with them? You get the idea.

First, most networks do not require a PDB record to peer. (Silly of them, I know, but still true.)

Second, you do not need to have a PDB record to get a link to an IXP. Even membership in a free IXP is sufficient for an account in PDB, as Grizz points out below.

Third, if you have an agreement, even just an email, saying a network will peer with you once you have a record, that may well suffice. Have you asked any network to peer? Private peering (because you are not on an IXP) is usually reserved for networks with more than a modicum of traffic. If your network is large enough to qualify for private peering, I have trouble believing you cannot get another network to agree to peer so you can get a record.

I guess you are right, the _Peering_DB does not register “certain” networks. Those networks would be ones that do not peer. Which seems pretty obvious to me - it is literally in the name.

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TTFN,
patrick

On Aug 18, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Sabri Berisha <sabri@cluecentral.net> wrote:

----- On Aug 18, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patrick@ianai.net wrote:

Hi,

On Aug 18, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Matthew Walster <matthew@walster.org> wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, 21:37 Sabri Berisha, <sabri@cluecentral.net> wrote:
----- On Aug 18, 2021, at 2:46 AM, Steve Lalonde steve@enta.net wrote:

Hi,

We always use PeeringDB data and refuse to peer with networks not in PeeingDB

You are aware that PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks, right? It is
most certainly not a single source of truth.

Would you care to expand on this?

I am extremely interested in hearing about this as well.

Specific examples would be useful.

Of course! Including headers to show authenticity. I was very amused by the 
explanation of the "chicken and egg" problem. Who's creating that? The networks
who refuse to peer with non-peeringdb registered ASNs, or peeringdb who won't 
recognize ASNs that are not peering with anyone because nobody wants to peer 
with them because they are not registered in peeringdb because nobody wants to
peer with them? You get the idea.

Thanks,

Sabri
AS31064


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Subject: Re: [#9192] [PeeringDB] User (sabri) Requesting Access (New Company - Cluecentral Inc)
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Dear PeeringDB user,

Registering with peeringDB and peering negotiations are sort of egg and
chicken problem. We only want to have networks registered that already
do have settlement free peering.

After some basic checks it looks like you are only buying transit from 6939/Hurricane Electric, but are not connected to any Internet Exchange (e.g. AMS-IX/NL-ix) yet.

Having said this, is it acceptable to you to wait until you have your
1st settlement free peering setup? If you already have existing peering
sessions, please provide the following details to support your request for
peeringdb access:

Your AS number(s)
Which IXP / facilities you are peering at
Some of your peering partners (again AS numbers / name)

Please send your answers to support@peeringdb.com or reply to this ticket.


Best regards,
PeeringDB admin on Duty


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