PR> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:59:15 -0400 PR> From: Phil Rosenthal PR> My one experience with this problem was with Telia announcing PR> my more specifics, and their US NOC referred me to their PR> Europe NOC, and there no one spoke English. They are a PR> tier1, so they don't have any upstream to call. It took 20 PR> phone calls and more than an hour to get to someone who cared PR> enough to do anything about it. What if I local-pref Telia up or have a shorter as-path via them? them? And, ignoring local-pref and as-path, the older routes would have beaten your newly-added more specifics. Note also the delay time for IRR-based filters to update. What you suggested rarely will help anything. It always will cause a mess. Messes are harder to maintain, and cause problems of their own. The Internet needs to be built on well-designed systems, not kludges. I think everyone here wants a workable answer. I also think that Bill (I don't know him, but I think it's safe to say he's very clueful, and personally respect his credentials) is much closer to the right answer. Several people have pointed out flaws with IRR cruft. Please look at Bill's paper, and try pointing out flaws in it. Don't make <Internet - you> bear the weight for something that can be solved with <you> carrying the load. This theme sounds familiar... Alas, this is becoming circular and repetitious, as Omachonu noted. My last post unless I have something new to add. Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.