Paul says his only requirement is that they stop when asked. Well, I haven't seen any evidence that they won't or don't. All I have heard is that they make you choose between their email and their service, or no email and no service. That they don't change their business when someone demands and still do business with that person is another matter. It might be arguable about whether they can or should give their list to someone else or who owns the list. But it not even questionable that they can use it themselves to promote their own services. Perhaps you are getting something from NSI that I'm not getting. I've gotten advertisements on topics like how to do DNS, etc. Things that NSI might be able to train people on. Things that registrants of domains might need training on. I haven't gotten anything from NSI that isn't part of NSI's own business, unless you count verisign stuff, which could possibly be outside, but it is still certainly related to their business, and the business of those who have domains registered with them. I actually haven't gotten any email from NSI about verisign--Its all on their we page, I think. I haven't gotten any spam from NSI about, oh, say, the latest porn site, or how to get rich quick using chain letters. I haven't heard that people who aren't customers of NSI are getting unsolicited email from NSI. But you are still missing the definition of spam: what is unsolicited email. It is not "unsolicited" when you have a previously existing relationship, especially a relationship that specifies that you agree to give NSI your email address, and you agree with NSI that they can send you email. Furthermore, you can make NSI stop sending you email simply by not doing business with them. You can register domains in other registries. NSI isn't going out and buying email lists, and spraying email. They are sending to their own customer list. This is using the RBL to bully NSI. Its not about spam. --Dean At 05:07 PM 11/21/1998 -0500, Rich Sena wrote:
Dean stop beeing a boob - it's spam - it's not hey glad your a customer hope all is well it's hey use us to register new domains - it's being generated to compete against other avenues of registration - lets call it what it is - if you like it great - give it a hug and kiss and give it a rest - the majority I would assume aren't real thrilled about it - and the whole speil about fake email addresses cuz folk don't want to give out theirs - is bullshit - the correct answer is "then you don't get a domain" drive through please.
On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
Not so. You can use another registry. .COM, .NET, and .ORG may be the most popular, but they are not the only ones. When you refuse to do business with NSI, they don't send you email. They don't get lists and send email to random people. If you don't agree to let NSI send you email, they won't do business with you. Everyone agreed to those terms. Can't come back and change them later, because you don't like it.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with most of the mail I've gotten from them. Some of it a bit technically insulting, but that doesn't make it totally unreasonable from an email ethics point of view. It certainly doesn't qualify as spam, since it is in fact solicited. You paid $100+ for the privilege.
Technically, they aren't broadcasting either. They are sending email to their customers. Not potential future customers. Existing customers. They didn't buy this list from somewhere. They asked for, and required customers to give this information, and to give them permission to send email.
You seem to be in a conflict with your own rules, since you have said that you don't RBL companies that are using their own internal lists. As I thought, you aren't operating from some kind of moral or ethical principal, you are just bullying others. I just don't like that, whether you happen to be right or not.
2] They are sending to folks that use the service.
yes. which is: everybody who has a domain in COM, NET, or ORG.
Ahh, it has finally come to a confrontation with someone who quite possibly speaks more authoritatively for everyone in those domains than you do. This will be interesting, to say the least.
I wonder if RBLing NetSol is cause for them to put vix.com on hold. That would be a hoot. I suppose they actually could call you in breach of contract for refusing to receive email, refund your money, and cancel your domains.
--Dean
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