A point that Dean makes here is pretty valid.
No, he doesn't, and attempting to legitimize it only does a disservice to anyone with a clue. NOTE: Do NOT EVER run an open relay on the Internet
Last year MHSC tried to run a third-party secure email service, using sendmail. The only way to do that is to allow relaying.
Ah, so you're one of those people who run open relays. Sorry; time to get a job where you're not about loosing filth on the net.
The nimrods, that are about closing down all mail relays,
Nimrod? *laugh* "That word, I do not think it means what you think it means." http://www.m-w.com. quote - tpb
That sort of gateway MUST allow relays in order to function.
Well, I'm afraid to get on my soapbox about clueless people who get promoted to sysadmin positions. Unfortunately staying silent and letting "nimrods" (means "mighty hunter) like you do damage by mis-informing real sysadmins about open relays is bad. Open relays unacceptable, and technically unnecessary. Closed relays fine. Learn to use filters, my dictionary-challenged friend.
I know Ron Guillimette from my daze on the anti-spam lists. Not only is he rabid, but he lacks a lot of sense. He's an "ends justify means" type.
Um. Dude. That's entirely what your comment on open relays is. If the ends don't justify the means, than your bad business sense and poor technical skills DON'T justify open relays. Cheers, Ehud p.s. Don't send me any more private mail telling me how bright dean is.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Dean Anderson Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:16 AM To: Kai Schlichting; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: ARIN whois
These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open". We are not going to close them. We are going to pursue abusers civilly and criminally. The FBI assures me that it does not matter criminally that access comes from international sources.
Much of the activity appears to be comming from alleged ANTI-SPAMMERs such as Chris Neill, and Alan Brown and Ron Guillemette who have been inciting attacks against us, posting to alt.2600 and advertising our service. Inciting criminal acts is a criminal act too, I'm pretty sure. We make sure to mention them prominently.
--Dean
Around 11:18 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Kai Schlichting said:
At 09:16 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
Can someone send me a list of *all* AOL netblocks? ARIN's
whois only gives back a handful.
I want to block _all_ AOL netblocks, but its tough to find
out what they are.
Thanks to a few malicious, radical antispammers (Chris
Neill, Alan Brown, etc) we are getting hit with a large number of criminal mail relays. Mostly coming from AOL addresses. We have about a half dozen individual criminal complaints underway.
Don't kid us, Dan. Close your fucking relays (not that any of them talk to my hosts anyhow). If this has to be drummed into your bonehead again: THEY WILL FIND YOUR RELAYS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY WILL ABUSE THEM, NO MATTER HOW LOUD YOU SCREAM. THEY SIT IN CHINA, PAKISTAN AND KOREA, AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THEM SHORT OF CALLING THE WHITEHOUSE AND GETTING THESE PLACES INVADED. Alternatively, you could come to your senses and shut the literal front door of your house now that you've finally noticed the first unsavory characters passing by. A couple years after the rest of us, no doubt.
And they won't need ORBS or any other service to locate you, either. Stop complaining. No more secrets (now that's from Scott Yelich's tagline).
bye,Kai
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