On Aug 29, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster@mykolab.com> wrote:
I would suggest that violation of the ISP’s ToS should also be consideration, since what may be illegal in one jurisdiction may not be illegal in some other jurisdictions.
Unless your abuse / security desk is staffed by lawyers it's probably better to avoid words like "criminal" and "unlawfully" altogether and stick to "in violation of our ToS".
Repeated abuse and violations of an ISP’s ToS should also be a consideration to terminate a customer relationship, and ISPs are fully within their rights to take this type of action.
And don't need to lean on "it's probably illegal" to do so, nor imply that if it were legal they wouldn't necessarily enforce their ToS. (All assuming that being abused as part of a dDoS reflector actually is against your ToS. If it's not things get more complex.) Cheers, Steve
- ferg
On Aug 29, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Gareth Tupper <Gareth.Tupper@warnerpacific.com> wrote:
"unlawfully" is probably redundant, unless these are otherwise law-abiding cyber criminals.
/pedant
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Jason Lee <jason.m.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
NANOG Community,
I was curious how various players in this industry handle abuse complaints. I'm drafting a policy for the service provider I'm working for about handing of complaints registered against customer IP space. In this example I have a customer who is running an open resolver and have received a few complaints now regarding it being used as part of a DDoS attack.
My initial response was to inform the customer and ask them to fix it. Now that its still ongoing over a month later, I'd like to take action to remediate the issue myself with ACLs but our customer facing team is pushing back and without an idea of what the industry best practice is, management isn't sure which way to go.
I'm hoping to get an idea of how others handle these cases so I can develop our formal policy on this and have management sign off and be able to take quicker action in the future.
Thanks,
Jason
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