On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
i will refrain from characterizing the ppml list. needless to say, i do not subscribe.
my point is that what arin does should be of interest to nanog subscribers. in theory, the ops are the arin community, the registry serves operations. if it is not of interest to ops, it is not serving the community.
I fully agree, but also respect that this community has made some conscience decisions regarding having ARIN be quite registry focused and letting NANOG evolve as as a forum of the operators in the region. I believe that several of the initiatives that you noted from the RIPE region could easily be viewed as falling under either organization. This community should not be disadvantaged by the structure of having a distinct registry and distinct operator forum, but it does mean that we need to be able to sort out _what_ the operators want and then where it gets done. Internet routing registries are a fine example; one could argue that it should be integrated with the number resource registry, but we also have examples of independent routing registries in active use (and I can see some potential reasons why operators might even want there to be a healthy separation between those functions.) If the community has one mind of what routing registry capabilities is wants here, including how it wants it governed and operated, I am quite certain that ARIN will support the direction, regardless of where it ends up being operated and how it ends up being governed. The lack I have noted over the years is lack of clear direction from the community, but that should not be something "ARIN" jumps in and tries to bring about - it needs to be of interest to (and led by) the operators on this list. We agree that ARIN needs to be relevant to the ops community, and I am very open minded to any suggestions you have, but don't exactly think that your examples from RIPE are necessarily where we want ARIN to go as much as things we want to have happen, whether that's ARIN, NANOG, or other associated organizations. On the other hand, your governance examples from RIPE (e.g. "wg for discussing what services the ncc offers") are directly on target, and I will share them on some other lists that may defy characterization by you.
[ get out of s'pore yet? drc got delayed a day with a missing part for his plane! ]
(Getting closer... the last plane was a fail due to fuel pump issues; my dearest friends at United seemed have rerouted me through Hong Kong but omitted a flight onward. Oh well.) Thanks! /John