People...... Forgive my intrusion, but it has become clear over the last few days (ever since the dns hiccup, and the fiber cuts) that this list is monitored by many parties who are not directly involved with Network operations issues. This includes press (so many of you have been quoted recently), government agencies, and *clients*. I would humbly and respectfully suggest at this stage that you rethink your use of this forum to engage in personal comments and attacks (as inviting as they may be :-) because these things may come back to haunt you/us. There *is* such a thing as bad publicity. And I would venture that some of the so-called 'noise' that this list has seen recently has probably captured the interest of regulators who will find a way to use our juvenile antics to our disadvantage. Besides this, you may be looking pretty foolish to those people who pay your bills, your *customers*. Please, think about this before you dash off a vitriolic response in future. If you must, why not cc it to the few who appear (from prior comment) to have an interest? And keep it off NANOG. Thanks.... Rodney Joffe Chief Technology Officer Genuity Inc., a Bechtel company http://www.genuity.net