Actually Bill... I have two (conflicting) perspectives as I said.... but to clarify: 1) A customer asked 'Can you make sure we have the IP for the network design' which I was wondering if it is even technically possible.... 2) If I design some amazing solutions... am I able to claim IP. My gut feeling is no to both of them... because, if it happen (VERY LIKELY) that somewhere, someone designs an network to the exact same specifications - to the config line - Would that mean they have infringed on my IP unknowingly, and how would I even know if I was unique in the first instance? What I am really looking for is some working, experience, precedence that backs up the view that IP on network design is actually not possible... which is my gut feeling. In the past I have always stated that, and it's never been challenged... and nor is it in this case... but, it is an important think I guess many of us should probably be aware of where we stand. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & Chief Network Architect* eintellego Networks Pty Ltd Email: skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com Phone: 1300 239 038 ; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve Facebook: eintellegonetworks <http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks> ; Twitter: eintellego <https://twitter.com/eintellego> LinkedIn: /in/skeeve <http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve> ; Expert360: Profile <https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9> The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco - Cumulus Linux - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:
I include a "no intellectual property ownership is transferred between the Parties" clause in just about everything we do. Doesn't demand that any of the questions you raise be answered, but shuts the door to problems pretty firmly.
-Bill
On Feb 12, 2015, at 17:20, Skeeve Stevens < skeeve+nanog@eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I have two perspectives I am trying to address with regard to network design and intellectual property.
1) The business who does the design - what are their rights?
2) The customer who asked for the rights from a consultant
My personal thoughts are conflicting:
- You create networks with standard protocols, configurations, etc... so it shouldn't be IP - But you can design things in interesting ways, with experience, skill, creativity.. maybe that should be IP? - But artwork are created with colors, paintbrushes, canvas... but the result is IP - A photographer takes a photo - it is IP - But how are 'how you do your Cisco/Juniper configs' possibly IP? - If I design a network one way for a customer and they want 'IP', does that mean I can't ever design a network like that again? What?
I've seen a few telcos say that they own the IP related to the network design of their customers they deploy... which based on the above... feels uncomfortable...
I'm really conflicted on this and wondering if anyone else has come across this situation. Perhaps any legal cases/precedent (note, I am not looking for legal advice :)
If this email isn't appropriate for the list... sorry, and please feel free to respond off-line.
...Skeeve
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