Re: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...

From: "Jim Shankland" <nanog@shankland.org>

Nicely put. Of course, that model does not correspond to reality, nor is it ever likely to. Traffic is always going to be controlled, filtered, redirected, and translated at administrative boundaries. Global, packet-level, end-to-end connectivity is dead, until somebody comes up with a compelling argument for why a Windows PC in an Internet cafe in Sofia, Bulgaria needs unfettered, packet-level access to a Coke machine in a break room at Sun Microsystems in Palo Alto.

Or why a team of gamers need to be able to coordinate n-way traffic between them without each of them having listeners Or why a protocol would need to embed addressing into the datastream Not like any of that will ever happen.