On 08 Apr 2010 12:42, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
Hello Lee ,
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Lee Howard wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgreco@ns.sol.net] It seems like you could run an RIR more cheaply by simply handing out the space fairly liberally, which would have the added benefit of encouraging v6 adoption. The lack of a need for onerous contractual clauses as suggested above, combined with less overhead costs, ought to make v6 really cheap.
For "fairly liberally" see: For ISPs: https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six51 You have to be an ISP with a plan to have 200 assignment in 5 years Non-ISP: https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six58 Be not-an-ISP and have a need for addresses (per other policies, you get to choose which one).
Thank you for posting those URL's I find a completely different interpretation to the prose there .
<Quote> 6.5.8. Direct assignments from ARIN to end-user organizations 6.5.8.1. Criteria
To qualify for a direct assignment, an organization must:
1. not be an IPv6 LIR; and 2. qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation from ARIN under the IPv4 policy currently in effect, or "demonstrate efficient utilization of all direct IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must be covered by any current ARIN RSA", or be a qualifying Community Network as defined in Section 2.8, with assignment criteria defined in section 6.5.9. </Quote>
Note the ""'d section above . I as a Legacy holder of netname baby-dragons HAVE to have a Signed RSA with Airn or I am NOT , by definition , Qualified .
The section you quoted is the second of the three-part "or" statement. Unfortunately, recent policy changes have made a mess of that text, so I'll offer an edited version that has the same meaning but is much clearer: "6.5.8.1. Criteria To qualify for a direct assignment, an organization must: 1. not be an IPv6 LIR; and 2. one (or more) of the following: 1. qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation from ARIN under the IPv4 policy currently in effect, or 2. demonstrate efficient utilization of all direct IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must be covered by any current ARIN RSA, or 3. be a qualifying Community Network as defined in Section 2.8, with assignment criteria defined in section 6.5.9." IOW, even if you don't qualify under (b)(2) because you haven't signed an LRSA for your legacy space, you can still qualify under (b)(1) or (b)(3). Now, let's look at how one qualifies for (b)(1): "4.3.2. Minimum assignment 4.3.2.1 Single Connection The minimum block of IP address space assigned by ARIN to end-users is a /20. If assignments smaller than /20 are needed, end-users should contact their upstream provider. 4.3.2.2 Multihomed Connection For end-users who demonstrate an intent to announce the requested space in a multihomed fashion, the minimum block of IP address space assigned is a /22. If assignments smaller than a /22 are needed, multihomed end-users should contact their upstream providers. When prefixes are assigned which are longer than /20, they will be from a block reserved for that purpose. 4.3.3. Utilization rate Utilization rate of address space is a key factor in justifying a new assignment of IP address space. Requesters must show exactly how previous address assignments have been utilized and must provide appropriate details to verify their one-year growth projection. The basic criteria that must be met are: * A 25% immediate utilization rate, and * A 50% utilization rate within one year. A greater utilization rate may be required based on individual network requirements. Please refer to RFC 2050 for more information on utilization guidelines." So, if you are multi-homed, you would need a 25-50% utilization of a /22, or 256-512 hosts; if you are single-homed, you would need a 25-50% utilization of a /20, or 1024-2048 hosts. That is an extremely low bar for any org to automatically qualify for a IPv6 /48 (and a slot in every DFZ router).
I find the present lRSA an indecent attempt to undermine the present Legacy ipv4 holders view of the rights presented them at the time of their Assignments or Allocations . If I could find my OLD Ultrix Tarball or Dump tapes from that era , and they are still readable , I might just be able to present the conversations I had at that time with InterNIC while acquiring that Legacy Space . Might someone else have a Document or some other Recorded conversation ?
If you have any documents or recordings that show ARIN has _any_ existing contractual obligations to you regarding your legacy space, either directly or as legal successor of some other organization, please present it. I'm sure ARIN's legal counsel would be quite interested, but AFAIK no legacy holder has _ever_ been able to do so. Until such time as someone proves otherwise, we must assume that ARIN has _no_ obligations to you, and they could (if the community so desired) delete your unpaid, uncontracted registration from their database and assign/allocate those numbers to some other party, and there's not a damn thing you could do about it other than waste lots of money on a lawsuit you'd undoubtedly lose. Signing an LRSA protects you against that possibility--forever--at minimal cost. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking