I followed up later, but so that it doesn't look like I'm ignoring you, if I were to take a /32 at my ISP, my ARIN fee would quadruple. I can't justify that. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "nanog group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 1:56:58 PM Subject: Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") How do you figure that? Owen
On Oct 2, 2015, at 04:14 , Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Not all providers are large enough to justify a /32.
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From: "Philip Dorr" <tagno25@gmail.com> To: "Rob McEwen" <rob@invaluement.com> Cc: "nanog group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 11:14:35 PM Subject: Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption")
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Rob McEwen <rob@invaluement.com> wrote:
On 10/1/2015 11:44 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
IPv6 really isn't much different to IPv4. You use sites /48's rather than addresses /32's (which are effectively sites). ISP's still need to justify their address space allocations to RIR's so their isn't infinite numbers of sites that a spammer can get.
A /48 can be subdivided into 65K subnets. That is 65 *THOUSAND*... not the 256 IPs that one gets with an IPv4 /24 block. So if a somewhat legit hoster assigns various /64s to DIFFERENT customers of theirs... that is a lot of collateral damage that would be caused by listing at the /48 level, should just one customer be a bad-apple spammer, or just one legit customer have a compromised system one day.
As a provider (ISP or Hosting), you should hand the customers at a minimum a /56, if not a /48. The provider should have at a minimum a /32. If the provider is only giving their customers a /64, then they deserve all the pain they receive.