Attempts to "standardize" inter-NOC communication happened a couple of times in the early 90's in the IETF, but it got too ugly, with too many barriers (basically people not wanting to expose dirty laundry). I fear that attempts to do so now when the providers are *really* competing with each other (as opposed to back in the old daze when we were all friends :-) will suffer the same fate, other than on a pairwise basis between NOCs that cooperate well with each other anyway. dave At 01:19 PM 1/30/00 +0000, Sam Thomas wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 12:35:18AM -0800, Sean Donelan wrote:
Should the Internet follow the nuclear and power industry and come up with a set of standarized terms for different degrees of events: blackout,
brownout,
flicker, etc. Or follow the telecommunication industry which uses a single word, congestion, for most problems.
<sigh> it took this long for someone to ask that question in a public place? I think we should go further than that, and develop an internet standard for noc-noc communications. at least some sort of bcp, so that those who conform can know what to expect when calling a peer (in the literal, not necessarily BGP sense) noc who also claims to conform to such an ad-hoc "standard". for instance, it would be nice to consistently be able to get a peer noc to open a ticket on reported troubles, get them to cooperate in tracking security (i.e. DoS attacks) problems, etc. in 30 years, the ability for computers to converse with eachother and negotiate reasonably has improved exponentially. there are still humans sitting behind them however, who still have problems with this after several thousand years of evolution. $0.02 +/- 0.02 Sam -- Sam Thomas Geek Mercenary