The ICA was signed in 2003 or 2004 with dark fiber in it.

Ahh, but maybe 2021 killed it.


Well, most of the ones I'm looking at would be interoffice, not so much loops.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Paul Timmins" <paul@telcodata.us>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was killed in 2021 as an orderable product.


https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services


There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber (February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 under the TRRO.




On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote:
Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA has it.

From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM
Subject: Frontier Dark Fiber

I'm looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark fiber.

My current account exec says they don't offer it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE revealed that they very much did (just didn't have availability on the paths I wanted at the time).

Their web site highlights it fairly proudly.


I'm aware that availability varies.

I'm aware that they likely don't want to sell it.