No, Verizon Wireless has their own AS # and doesn’t actually use Verizon Business as their primary provider.

Shane

On Feb 19, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:


But then MCI is the one running fiber to all of the Verizon Wireless sites, so that doesn't help in de-muddying the waters.



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From: sronan@ronan-online.com
To: "Justin Krejci" <JKrejci@usinternet.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 1:54:43 PM
Subject: Re: Verizon Business Contact

Verizon Business is the fixed line business focused entity, formerly MCI and UUNET. Verizon Wireless is the wireless business entity.

Shane

On Feb 19, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci@usinternet.com> wrote:


For me it is some AS 6167 destinations.
WHOIS for that ASN says this is Verizon Business.

AS Number:      6167
Org Name:       Verizon Business

I am not sure how I am supposed to accurately or authoritatively discern the differences in specific IP prefixes (or ASNs) as to whether they are are used in the Verizon Wireless, Verizon Business, Verizon XYZ, etc.
I am also not sure what the value would be understanding the difference as I have zero contacts at any Verizon entity: Wireless, Business, or any other.

I imagine at some level, there is a parent Verizon umbrella organization that is ultimately responsible for all underling organizations/divisions but I am not particularly interested in trying to pick apart the business silos of Verizon and then from there trying to chase down specific Verizon entity contacts to try and figure out who, might be the right contact to look into this. I have made efforts, prior to this NANOG thread even starting, to get this issue rectified but I have had zero luck so far getting any appropriate person at Verizon to take notice.

It kind of feels like trying to reach out to some company regarding a geolocation or IP-reputation type issue... just a lot of "Sorry, I don't know. try this other group that you already talked to" or simply "piss off" type responses. Both of which I have received in sizable quantities. Now that my brain is on that tangent, my favorite geolocation response was when I was told "your ISP needs to set the correct bits in the IP packets to designate the traffic as coming from the correct geography." I laughed and I cried at that one.



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Laager <rlaager@wiktel.com>
To: Justin Krejci <JKrejci@usinternet.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Verizon Business Contact
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:41:04 -0600

On 2024-02-09 18:10, Justin Krejci wrote:

For a good long while (months) we have had similar issues with various Verizon destinations.

Only Verizon Wireless destinations, or other Verizon Business things?

As of today, I'm told (via an upstream provider) that Verizon Business says this is a Verizon Wireless issue.