It seems you upset that there is a foreign domain hosted in the US, and that there is a probably useless and incorrect host record in the whois database. There is nothing terribly wrong with this. You seem to be assuming that hosting a foreign-registered domain in the US is evidence of some kind of deception or conspiracy. I just don't see any. Indeed, I just registered youdontwant.to via the Tonic registry. No deception. Perhaps I'll track anti-spam terrorism on perhaps.youdontwant.to. ;-) ** Unfortunately, Tonic doesn't seem to have a whois server. In any case, Internic doesn't have anything to do with it. As Eric said, but you won't accept. Whois Host records are informational, until they are entered into a domain record. In a domain record, they give one a nice tool to update the nameservers of many hosted domains with only update. There isn't any way to check them on creation. You can only authenticate updates to the records. Given that ARIN runs a whois server and Tonic doesn't explains why there is a host record but not a domain record (except in DNS). Whois Host records only have effect once their handle is entered into the domain record. Updates to the host record are also usually authenticated in simple or sophisticated ways. But again, the domain record is owned by Tonic, not Internic, so complaints to Internic will not be useful, or effective. Tonic, incidentally, does appear to have working password authentication on its domain updates. Tonic assigns handles separately from Internic, so the existance of host record in another registry doen't mean it could be accidentaly put into the domain record. This host information may be in fact be wrong or just useless or just informational but whatever the case, it doesn't have any effect on anything. While a bogus host record could possibly be some foolish failed attempt at spoofing the domain, it could also (more likely) be the remnants of some past or future association. In this particular case, I'd bet that someone incorrectly added a host record to Internic, instead of Tonic, by simple mistake. The owner of the domain probably knows which. Its mere existance doesn't mean anything conspiratorial is going on. Perhaps a quiet message to the domain owner noting this looks a bit crufty might be nice. But there is nothing for either Internic or Nanog to do. If its conspiracy you are looking to expose, your time is probably better spent looking for the second iceberg that really sank the Titanic. While there are perhaps real complaints to be made about Internics authentication, this is not an example of one of them. --Dean ** (Seriously, I did mean to follow-up the anti-spam terrorism thread last week--If people email me privately, I will try to organize tracking of anti-spam criminal activities. I also want to organize a group of moderates to advocate rational laws regulating spam. Many of the people who are talking with legislators right now are radicals or just ignorant. We really need some moderates to get involved. As you can see, there are some very misguided people out there talking to even more ignorant people in the Press and in Legislative bodies.) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++