CL> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:29:23 +0100 CL> From: Chrisy Luke [ snipped ] CL> While nobody has tried to take a "Tier-1" to court for what CL> could be taken as anti-competitive actions said providers CL> will carry on - it's win-win for them. The marginal loss of CL> connectivity to *your* network is so small from their CL> perspective, there's no issue. If mutual customers complain, CL> they blame you for not connecting to them (from experience, CL> and having seen this done in black and white). The words used CL> are along the lines of "that is what happens when you connect CL> to a non-tier-1, like us". Now, as much as I'd not expect C&W to peer with us, look at PSINet. Were they small? What about EXDS? Those peering paths were to provide better-<insert various metrics> to the eyeballs. I'd argue that both are/were significant. And as much as it's a good thing to not require everyone to peer with everyone (n^2 would be out of control), it would also be bad if the entire world depended on a single ASN. I agree that a line must be drawn, but disagree with where certain carriers draw the line. But I suppose that we're insignificant to them, and they probably don't even care about selling _transit_ to someone so small. [Not that this is inherently bad... just be up front about it like L3, and tell people what the minimum is.] I guess the C&W slogan is also rubbing me the wrong way. "Delivering on the Internet promise" seems to imply that traffic gets there reliably. ;-) [Note that I'm impressed with the good community support... not just bashing C&W.] Note that this is not peculiar to the Internet. Look at the EDI world, and what happened to ICC with Sterling and GE. _That_, IMHO, is a much more clear-cut case of anti-competitive behavior. -- Eddy Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita/(Inter)national Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.