_please reply offlist_ i've sent some time (at least 20 minutes) considering that while there are forums for operators and engineers to discuss issues (nanog, ietf, others too numerous to mention), there aren't really forums for informed consumers of internet services to exchange notes (or for uninformed consumers to become informed.) if anyone knows of such, please let me know. otherwise, i'm considering starting an unmoderated but carefully monitored mailing list for business oriented discussion from the viewpoint of consumers. i'd probably want to tie this in with the development of FAQs and tutorials targeted at business consumers of internet services. again, comments offlist, please. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security