Speaking of .... What IS going on with rwhois? I heard some talk at the SF ARIN meeting about enhancing the rwhois code and making it more workable for ISPs. IMHO - SWIP is a generally inferior system ... at least to the potential of using rwhois. The real leverage comes if it can be integrated into larger distributed database systems. Maintaining delegation information is a pain. Having valid delegation of IP address space helps in tracking the guys with black hats. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to develop a mechanism to limit views of contact information to valid ASN POCs via some form of keyed access ... since those who work in the AS/BGP space need to know who to contact as the source of packet, as apposed to marketing organizations. Are the registries going to actively work to extend and enhance rwhois? -- Joseph T. Klein +1 414 915 7489 Senior Network Engineer jtk@titania.net Adelphia Business Solutions joseph.klein@adelphiacom.com "... the true value of the Internet is its connectedness ..." -- John W. Stewart III