folx, along with several others i've been putting together a panel for ripe/nanog about ipv6. the core contention is that there is a large, unrepresented body of operators who are sceptical as to the need for IPv6, see no market demand, see no problem it solves and see no justification for the cost. balancing that is the belief that address space will be exhausted and that we need a replacement for v4. mediating the two of those is the desire to have a scalable routing system (which many people think means separating identity and location). so, the panel for nanog has already been submitted. i was hoping to do one at RIPE, too, but some of the panelists can't make it and many at RIPE took umbrage at the north americanness of all of the participants on the panel. so i come here looking for suggestions for the following: --someone rabidly pro v6 (european or not, preferably a network operator). this would make a nice addition to the panel for nanog --someone cold-heartedly anti-v6 who is a european operator suggestions welcome in private mail (i don't think that the panel is of operational significance, although the lack of market demand for anything like v6 may be). thanks, -- _____________________________________________________________________ todd underwood +1 603 643 9300 x101 renesys corporation chief of operations & security todd@renesys.com http://www.renesys.com/blog/todd.shtml