I knew this would come up. Actually I'm surprised and glad it waited until I got a solution first. I'll address a few points: - this is mainly to stop stupid things from sending packets from countries we will probably never want to do business with (I'm looking mainly at that big country under APNIC). - I'd prefer a solution that blocks all traffic that is routed through those countries so that they could never see data from us (and when Jin-rong has a configuration mess up and rerouts ~10% of traffic through them for a half hour, I don't see any of that traffic). Since I have no idea how one would go about doing this, just blocking traffic from IP addresses registered in certain countries is good enough. - it is well known (I think everyone on this list at least) that you can evade geographic placement of your origin by tunneling. Given this, I fail to see the point in bringing up that "GeoIP" doesn't work. Also, if it doesn't work, why do content providers, CDNs, google, and streaming services rely on it as part of their business model? The sad truth of the mater is it does work and surprisingly well. We just don't like it because it's brittle and a user can fool us (I know Akami and the like look at trip time and the like because they know there are issues). Given all of this, how often is looking at the country an IP address originates from via what is listed for the particular ASN actually fiction? Again, the input was invaluable for getting me where I wanted to be so thanks again. On May 24, 2013 2:59 AM, "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> wrote:
On May 23, 2013, at 23:49 , bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:39:12PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
On May 23, 2013, at 23:17 , David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:
On May 23, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Andreas Larsen <
The whole idea of Geoip is flawed.
Sure, but pragmatically, it's an 80% solution.
IP dosen't reside in countries,
True, according to (at least some of) the RIRs they reside in regions...
Really? Which ones? I thought they were only issued to organizations
andreas.larsen@ip-only.se> wrote: that had operations in regions.
Owen
Just because I have operations in one region does not preclude me from having operations in other regions. YMMV of course.
/bill
That was exactly my point, Bill... If you have operations in RIPE and ARIN regions, it is entirely possible for you to obtain addresses from RIPE or ARIN and use them in both locations, or, obtain addresses from both RIPE and ARIN and use them in their respective regions, or mix and match in just about any imaginable way. Thus, IP addresses don't reside in regions, either. They are merely issued somewhat regionally.
Owen