indeed, otherwise thats making the data the critical compnent and voice an add on extra which is not whats going no here :) On 5/11/20, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
If POTS last mile is available, why complicate it with VoIP?
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From: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> To: "Nick Edwards" <nick.z.edwards@gmail.com>, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:23:36 AM Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
Hi Nick
Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out? Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing here. Might be free depending on where you get the CPEs.
Or simply getting VoIP handsets. Lots of cheap DECT bases with VoIP.
Regards
Baldur
søn. 10. maj 2020 14.51 skrev Nick Edwards < nick.z.edwards@gmail.com >:
On 5/8/20, Baldur Norddahl < baldur.norddahl@gmail.com > wrote:
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:14 AM Masataka Ohta < mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp > wrote:
Investment for FTTH is 10 times or more than that for plain DSL.
We are assuming the copper plant is already there otherwise I will respectfully disagree.
However the economic is not as simple as you might think. Lets do some calculations.
Assume we can build the fiber plant for 1 million USD (*). This fiber can
be depreciated over 25 years. That means we only take USD 40,000/year of the company profit.
The copper plant is already there but the DSLAM is missing. Assume USD 100
per port plus USD 100 per DSL CPE. This equipment can only be depreciated
over 5 years. With 1700 ports this gives USD 68,000/year of the company profit.
a 48 port dslam is 2200 (still awaiting cots on line cards for above mentioned chassis) so its about 45 per port, CPE is about 50 a device in bulk (inc 4 gb ports, wifi)
The copper exists, there is no ripping it out
Due to location RF links are used for data, so no need to give each cabin "future proof" since unless a carrier will run fibre to us for 100's miles at their cost - it just aint happenin, the cost is extremely prohibitive.
Not claiming these number are anything but fantasy as I know nothing about
the layout of the project. Just illustrating that sometimes more money now
does not necessary means less profit for a company.
(*) yes 1700 installs could be done for that in optimum circumstances. It
could also be much more expensive, all depending.
Regards,
Baldur