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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

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The Brothers WISP

From: "Owen DeLong via NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
To: "Michael Thomas" <mike@mtcc.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:14:33 PM
Subject: Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?

On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:12 , Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:

On 6/24/22 12:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:

On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:

On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined over the course of several years, and is becoming vague again. This nuance was never well understood in the public eye, nor by mass publications like CNN. This is a battle for 12GHz, not 5G.
But is what Starlink saying true or not?

It would be a pity to not have an alternative to incumbent telephants.

Mike
It’s not entirely clear, without knowing the technical details of the Starlink modulation scheme whether or not they could successfully share the 12Ghz spectrum.

I have no reason to disbelieve their claims.

Frankly, I really don’t think that Dish’s idea of providing 5G mobile service from satellites is a particularly good or beneficial one and granting them 12Ghz spectrum for this purpose is probably not really in the public interest.
I thought they were land based? What I read is that being land based means that they can transmit at much higher power.

I wasn’t aware that Dish had terrestrial facilities. I had forgotten their absorption into AT&T.

So I retract my comments in that regard… They are a traditional telephant and I think that terrestrial 5G on 12Ghz is even less useful.

OTOH, I think Starlink is most definitely an interesting product that does provide a clear path to reasonable alternatives to the incumbent telephants.
Especially when you factor in mobility when they get there. No more roaming fees, all over the world.

Yep… Probably one of the reasons DishT&T is trying to fight so hard to cause them grief.

Owen