----- On Aug 30, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl rubensk@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rubens, First and foremost, I appreciate that you're keeping it civil.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:35 PM Sabri Berisha <sabri@cluecentral.net> wrote:
The learned people on this list do not strike me as the kind of person to go out and engage in vigilante justice if a court decides against them. The very fabric of our civilized society depends on us resolving our conflicts in court, not out on the (virtual) streets. You may disagree with a ruling but I implore you to respect it.
As previously mentioned, this is about something that doesn't involve a court ruling, at least not yet, but a seizure request made by the party to attack the sustainability of the RIR. Rulings that people disagree have their own way inside the court system to be dealt with.
I really, really don't want to upset Mel more than he already is, but Owen shared a link with an actual order of the court. After "consideration of the affidavit" the court allowed "up to" $50 million to be frozen. Whatever the merits of the affidavit are, it indicates that the court looked at the facts, made a determination and based on that ordered the asset freeze. That sounds like a (preliminary) ruling to me. I don't necessarily agree with it due to the implications it has on African internet operations, and, as Mark rightfully brought up, all the employment that depends on it, but I have to respect it. And don't get me wrong: I am not informed enough as to the dispute itself so I'm unable to form an opinion on who is right and who is wrong here. People whom I deeply respect on this list are on opposite sides so that adds to the confusion. I am, however, concerned with the operational implications. That's why I donated to the keep-Afrinic-alive-fund. I've ran an RBL for years, which many people used. It closed down more than a decade ago. Out of 100 DNS queries I logged just now with a quick tcpdump on one of my three DNS servers, I counted 51 for rbl.cluecentral.net. That's why I'm advocating to reconsider your carpet-bombing (filter into oblivion) recommendation. People don't remove them. Thanks, Sabri