---Original message---- Maybe not an appropriate topic for Nanog... but... it is becoming a sad fact that the clue level of 'internet engineers' is going down. Christian -------------------- That's a fairly strong statement to make. Large telcos/ISPs tend to through "newbie" engineers into situations where a experienced or senior engineer belongs. Let's face facts - there are not enough IP engineers/technicians to fill all the needed positions. Companies need to either have more peer review or expect the "clueless" attitude toward customers. No one could expect a entry level engineer to handle complex ISP BGP issues when they barely understand VLSM/CIDR. The industry is much larger than previous years(obvious), thus more entry level engineers. CF