Did you contact a law enforcement agency? Did we comply with their wishes? It seems that you are asking for vigilantism, not cooperation. -alan ] ] On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, David Schwartz wrote: ] ] > I think a list of sites that refuse to deal with troublemakers ] > (with details) would be extremely useful. If people want to use it to ] > blackhole traffic, that would be their decision. ] ] Ok. I nominate UUNet to be the first on the list. (No, this isn't a UUNet ] flame, read on.) ] ] Recently one of their customers decided the incoming directory on our FTP ] server would be a good place to start a warez site. We mailed help@uu.net ] and noc@uu.net. Our mail included the src IP address and the times that ] the uploading of the warez occurred. They were fairly quick to respond ] with UUNet's policy on these matters. Basically they will only take action ] when told to do so by a law-enforcement agency. ] ] Ok, fine. I understand that they have to protect their interests and that ] there are legal implications to all of this. I tend to agree that this ] position is the safest one to take. ] ] This raises important issues, though. What do we expect providers to do? ] Do we expect them to take action based on email received from ] unknown people? It seems from some of the other posts on this topic that ] we do expect that. ] ] Getting back to the post that started this thread, the culprit appears to ] be from Romania. Since we've all read _The Cuckoo's Egg_, we know that ] getting anything done about international cracking is very difficult (or ] has this changed?). So it is a catch-22. I think very few people on this ] list have the time/resources to pursue prosecution for attacks, unless the ] attacks are extremely damaging (ie you can prove to the authorities that ] it cost you a LOT of money). Yet, just letting this stuff slide by is not ] only frustrating, it does nothing to solve the problem. ] ] I think if you are getting attacked from a specific IP or block of IPs, ] you have every right to filter those packets. I question the prudence of a ] 'blacklist', though. ] ] Just some random thoughts... ] ] -BD ]