Make it more of a hassle for them. Ralsky apparently gets *bags* of junkmail everyday because mad people signed him up for everything under the sun. If everyone faxed a 600 page document of why spam is bad to any fax numbers in the email, maybe some places would start to get the point. Fill out their web forms with contact info of someone at the FTC. Obviously laws aren't going to stop it, and people are making money off of it. If it gets to the point where the harrassment just isn't worth it, some spammers will stop.
-----Original Message----- From: Bob German [mailto:bobgerman@irides.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:45 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Is there a technical solution to SPAM?
I disagree. While you're right that it is a social problem, it is also a technical problem in that those of us charged with protecting our networks and equipment need to be able to discuss methods of engineering our networks to counteract SPAM while the social, political and legal issues are being played out in their arenas.
And I doubt that career spammers give a rat's ass about proper network etiquette. Education may help prevent newbies and brick-and-mortar converts from becoming spammers, but it will take some combination of legal and technical measures to deal with the career spammers. Laws alone won't work, because laws have loopholes.
Bob German
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Michael.Dillon@radianz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:24 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Is there a technical solution to SPAM?
Anyone who believes that SPAM can be solved by technical means should try googling one of the following:
sms spam i-mode spam IM spam
It should be clear that spam is really a social problem, not a technical
one and therefore the solutions will be found in the social, political and legal spaces, not in network engineering. Some combination of education and training, new laws, arrests and public trials will be needed to get rid of it.
I'm betting that we get the biggest bang for the buck out of education and training. Part of it will come from teaching people network etiquette, part from teaching them that spam is not a way to make money, and part of it from teaching website owners how to provide effective advertising so that website ads can dominate the cheap mass advertising space and displace the spammers.
In any case, I suggest that we should ban all future discussion of SPAM and spammers from this mailing list since it is not related to network engineering or operating an IP network.
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