On 14 Jun 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: : surfer@mauigateway.com (Scott Weeks) writes: : : > : Also the problem of off shoring spam probably should be taken into : > : consideration. No matter how good the plan is if a country is willing : > : not to enforce it there will be a problem. : > : > <ding, ding, ding> We have a winner! Someone please give sgorman1 a : > cigar for winning the NA vs. global network game in this round! : : so, we're back to the need to establish this by international treaty, again. I will not go on too much as these need to die off. I just want to point out the borderless beast we're riding and the need to make solutions for the whole beast, not just the front of it. scott : for some reason we can require passengers to be fingerprinted if they didn't : come from an approved airport, or let them through without checking their : passport at all if they're from the same league of nations as "us", and : make IMF money contingent on severing or establishing diplomatic ties with : countries we dislike or like... but we balk at the idea of making it illegal : for UUNET to connect their end of an E3 to a router if the other end touches : down in a country who won't control their cybernauts. : : yes, that would mean a whole lot of homework for somebody, since you could : multihop through middlemen at various ISO layers, repacketize, and so on. : but even though it's still possible to ship all manner of contraband across : every border in the world, it's HARDER TO DO if the country on at least one : side of that border MAKES SOME KIND OF EFFORT AT STOPPING IT. : : if some country somewhere becomes a haven for spammers then the international : community will have to isolate them (cybernetically) in their own defense. : : we can argue about anything else that pleases us, invent all the rules and : new technology we want, but it will all come down to treaties between nations. : : unfortunately, my own nation is so interested in appeasing our spammers that : they are unable to provide any leadership in this area. someone else should : step up. : -- : Paul Vixie :