When working with ILECs it is important to differentiate what must be offered via ICAs and what is offered commercially.  We for example sell a ton commercially but effectively none through our interconnection agreements anymore.

 

(we being Ziply Fiber in WA/OR/ID/MT)

 

 

From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+john=vanoppen.com@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 2:24 PM
To: Paul Timmins <paul@telcodata.us>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

 

Here's the list of CLLI codes where you're no longer able to order dark fiber:

 

 

https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list

 

 

It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs with no competitive fiber and yet, they're on the list.

 



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

 

From: "Paul Timmins" <paul@telcodata.us>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was killed in 2021 as an orderable product.

 

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services

 

There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber (February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 under the TRRO.

 

 

 

On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote:

Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA has it.

From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM
Subject: Frontier Dark Fiber

I'm looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark fiber.

 

My current account exec says they don't offer it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE revealed that they very much did (just didn't have availability on the paths I wanted at the time).

 

Their web site highlights it fairly proudly.

 

 

I'm aware that availability varies.

 

I'm aware that they likely don't want to sell it.