Jim, thanks, certainly understand business priorities. But Patrick's statement was that a business having its own server was "simply not realistic", which I took to be along the dimensions of economically unrealistic or technically unrealistic. In a world of kids growing up with Raspberry Pi's (i.e. their own server to login as root), learning HTML in High School (if not earlier), is it only lack of interest which keeps businesses from having their own server? Is it "realistic" for companies to have an appliance which can provide email and web? Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. From: jim deleskie [mailto:deleskie@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:44 PM To: Tony Patti Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Friday Hosing I could support any of these services myself, and have guys that work me that can as well, but none of these are my core business, and my investors REALLY prefer me focusing on my core business, I suspect most of us have shareholders, investors, owners that feel the same way. I struggled with idea of not running my own boxes for services, but in the end decided that the trade of various gov't reading my boring office mail was the right choice for my business. -jim On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tony Patti <tony@swalter.com> wrote: I think it is (could be) (should be) realistic for many/most businesses. TWELVE years ago (press release March 20 2001), Comcast deployed Linux-based Sun Cobalt Qube appliances as CPE with their business-class Internet service, these provided firewall security, web caching, optional content filtering, an e-mail server, a web server, file and print servers. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/comcast-business-communications-hits <http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/comcast-business-communications-hit s-a-home-run-with-detroits-comerica-park-71752402.html> -a-home-run-with-detroits-comerica-park-71752402.html You could argue that (a) it was not "your own" server, even though it was CPE, or (b) Comcast did not continue to offer these appliances (i.e. that Sun cancelled the product line), but my point is that it was provided within the economics of the Internet Services being purchased, i.e. not cost-prohibitive. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patrick@ianai.net] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:23 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Friday Hosing On Jul 12, 2013, at 19:22 , Nick Khamis <symack@gmail.com> wrote:
Set up your own email server, host your own web pages, maintain your own cloud, breath your own oxygen FTW.
That's simply not realistic for many companies and essentially all people (to a first approximation). -- TTFN, patrick