Not press release? Since when has NANOG been relegated to press release material only... ?? We used to troubleshoot *real time* via this.. (nanog). Have we gone to the realm of suits ? (And *you* should know.... Todd, You were there through most of it...) I guess I need to get it in my head that NANOG list has become relegated to the world of newspapers and public releases.... :( Any ways, looks like this is some type of cut that is killing Chicago *southbound* circuits.. (Hence your perspective) We have techs (trying) to nail it down... We have McCleod USA stating several circuits dropped from out of Chicago... all at once... (DS3-OC3) More than just data...... Like like something broke in south Chicago. Everyone is turning on the T-birds... :\ Pardon my jump. I was adrenaline rushed, as I have *several* big circuits out of Chicago.... See ya. Now where is that Tbird ..... :\