Oh, I'm quite certain that the "registries" will recognize a court order, which, if they refuse to recognize a reassignment, is precisely what they *should* be forced to recognize. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 08:43:26AM +1000, Geoff Huston wrote:
Sure addresses have intrinsic value, BUT the problem is that attempting to effect the transfer of title is an exercise in futility given that none of the regional registeries will honour the transaction.
Now given that the original 'owner' details remain constant, it raises the interesting question of how many suckers can be conned into the buying the same class B. The Broklyn Bridge is a useful precedent here, btw.
With a means of registering the transaction, the value of the address space in the current trading market remains heavily discounted. Unfortunately this trading makes a mockery of the validity of the allocation registeries, and the longer we sit in denial mode over address trading the more probable the problems ISPs will face over attempting to trace actual address ownership, in order to avoid senseless litigation over incorrect address advertisements in the routing space.
Geoff
At 03:14 PM 10/5/98 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
David,
Actually, there's every reason to believe that if you have space from prior to the adoption of RFC2008 and 2050 you indeed do have something which is (1) property, and (2) valuable if someone is willing to pay you for it.
Specifically, RFC2008 says:
While it has never been explicitly stated that various Internet Registries use the "address ownership" allocation policy, it has always been assumed (and practiced).
That sentence, in particular the last five words of that sentence, are extremely important. 10+ years of a given practice and set of operating rules cannot be overturned by fiat.
-- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 11:47:01AM -0700, David R. Conrad wrote:
Hi,
Seems scanning ARIN's database for B's is becoming a trend. Anybody want to provide the procmail incantation to forward flems and other wasted bits (like this message) to Gabriel automatically?
Don't these people realize addresses have no value? After all, addresses are just integers. Right, Bill? :-)
Hmmm. At last! A way to cover the upkeep costs for my black helicopter (they're so useful, I didn't want to return it when I left APNIC)! As APNIC's 16 Bs are still registered to me, I see a _wonderful_ profit potential -- anybody got the URL for the Address Black Market, I seem to have misplaced it...?
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:07 GMT From: "CommuniTech.Net, Inc." <gabriel@communitech.net> Subject: Class B Purchase To: <davidc@apnic.net>, <gabriel@communitech.net>
My name is Gabriel Murphy and I am with CommuniTech.Net, a rapidly growing Internet Presence Provider. I am writing you today to inquire if you might be interested in selling the Class B you have registered through the American Registry of Internet Numbers.
As you may or may not know, ARIN is no longer issuing Class B blocks. Our business is growing quickly and the availability of IP Addresses is fundamental to our business going forward.
If you are interested in selling the Class B you have through ARIN, please contact me personally at gabriel@communitech.net. We realize that an outright purchase of a Class B would be expensive, but it is extremly important to
Regards, -drc --------------- the
future of our business. We are quite serious about this inquiry and hope to hear from you soon.
Best Regards,
Gabriel Murphy CommuniTech.Net Inc. http://www.communitech.net