On Thu, May 29, 1997 at 10:44:28AM -0400, Philip J. Nesser II wrote:
Vince Wolodkin supposedly said:
Paul A Vixie wrote:
P.S. Keep in mind that a Root Name Server Confederation is a collection of Root Name Servers. The new ISI/NSI confederation that is being built just moved one of its nameservers to the control of RIPE and it is located in London, England.
fiction.
there are some root name servers.
then there are some pirates who are trying to coin the "confederation" term.
Mr Vixie,
I realize your exasperation with certain elements that have arisen in this "new age" of the internet. Many of them ARE in it for the money. Of course, you realize, that this was bound to happen. Any successful non-profit venture will ultimately have people trying to make money off of it. It's not illegal, though piracy is.
While you disagree with the "confederation" ideas that Mr. Fleming espouses, calling he and others pirates is rather ridiculous. If you were involved in an IETF proceeding and someone presented an alternate idea, would you call them pirates?
Paul can certainly speak for himself, but I think the issue that most people (myself included) have is that these people refuse to work within the IETF process. If they want to change things and follow the procedure that everyone else has used for years then great, let them try and convince people of the validity of their ideas.
If, on the other hand, they refuse to work within the well established system and go off into a corner and make grand declarations and try and fracture the "rough consensus" model that has kept the net operating for years, then they are indeed pirates. I would like to point out that going through the IETF process does not mean your ideas will be accepted. More ideas and plans are rejected than are accepted.
The IAHC was not done within the IETF process. There is no RFC which was promoted to either a BCP or Internet Standard defining their work. That was ENTIRELY a private decision and done outside of the IETF process. Those who live in glass houses....
---> Phil
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