Below... ......... Gordon Cook is rumored to have said: ] ] Avi pointed out: ] ] The swamp is basically the old "Classful" address space. ] What Sean did was to say "You can use your old 'Class C's ] but I have to stop the table-size growth in *new allocations*". ] ] ========= ] Then apparently I have misunderstood what the swamp was/is. I thought it ] was just an unaggregated area and didn't understand why. Is there text ] somewhere that explains very clearly the swamp and the policies attached ] there to? I see a question that says why was it not aggregated? It wasn't aggregate because at the time of dispersion, there was no need to allocate, routing table growth was not a significant factor in internet address allocation. ] Is the swamp then bounded by class c addresses warranted as routable when ] they were handed out? Are you saying then that the defaultless core ] routability of class c's from the swamp is, as of now, guaranteed? Perhaps I'm a bit of a wild card, but I don't see any IP address as routable based on official policy or origin of assignment. IP Address space is routable because each [I|N]SP that might have occasion to route the space, agrees to. They agree to because it makes economic sense, or, in some cases *cough sprint* it does not make economic sense to route 207.99.99.0/24 (apologies to NAC.NET, I just made the net up, and I know they have a /18, so the example is invalid...) . I firmly believe that explainable economic decisions are in the best interest of the net, and if they're not, the company making poor economic decisions will leave through natural [economic] selection. ] Of the class cs from the swamp how many are now being routed at the ] defaultless core? HOW MANY ADDITIONAL CLASS Cs FROM THE SWAMP ARE THERE ] FOR WHICH THE OWNERS COULD DEMAND ROUTING? Lots. ] In other words are these 5,000 new class c's just the beginning? Or are ] they, hopefully the end? Neither, they're a holdover from a more carefree time... At least, that's my 3 minute rant before my next meeting... :) -alan ] ========= ] ] Avi writes: ] ] Umm, Gordon, read what Paul said. ] ] He was saying that he suspected that the new /24s are in the swamp. ] And even Sprint listens to any /24s from there. ] ] The swamp is basically the old "Classful" address space. ] What Sean did was to say "You can use your old 'Class C's ] but I have to stop the table-size growth in *new allocations*". ] ] Avi ] ] ] ************************************************************************ ] The COOK Report on Internet For subsc. pricing & more than ] 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA ten megabytes of free material ] (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) visit http://pobox.com/cook/ ] Internet: cook@cookreport.com For case study of MercerNet & ] TIIAP induced harm to local community http://pobox.com/cook/mercernet.html ] ************************************************************************ ] ] ]