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On 19 Jan 2016, at 15:12, "Michael O'Connor" <moc@es.net> wrote:
Why do we believe network administrators can advocate perfectly for customer access? I couldn't control my own children's access without making us all miserable.
Nation state access control in a free country at the network layer is bound to fail, way too many cats to herd.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:31 PM, <bzs@theworld.com> wrote:
On January 18, 2016 at 00:21 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu ( Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 19:39:52 -0500, bzs@theworld.com said:
How about if backed by an agreement with the 5 RIRs stating no new resource allocations or transfers etc unless a contract is signed and enforced? Or similar.
Then they'd just resort to hijacking address space.
Oh wait, they already do that and get away with it....
I think we're talking about two different problems, both valid.
One is legitimate operators who probably mostly want to do the right thing but are negligent, disagree (perhaps with many one this list) on what is an actionable problem, etc.
The other are those actors prone to criminality.
I was addressing the first problem though I'd assert that progress on the first problem would likely yield progress on the second, or cooperation anyhow.
(And a threat of withholding IP address space from long-haul providers
credible - they have much less need for publicly routed IP addresses
isn't as than
either eyeball farms or content farms, so you'll have to find some other way to motivate them to not accept a hijacked route announcement...)
No man is an island entire of himself -- John Donne.
First one has to agree to the concept of creating a network based on contractual agreements.
I gave some examples of how to encourage actors to enter into those contracts, my list wasn't intended to be exhaustive, it was intended to be an existence proof, some pressure points exist and are easy to understand even if not complete.
Besides, why make the perfect the enemy of the good? If many, perhaps not all (or not at first), agreed to a common set of contractual obligations that would be progress, no?
Is there even a document which describes what a "hijacked" net block is and why it is bad? Obvious? No, it is not obvious. The best one can say is there exist obvious cases.
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