Ah, There's the rub. Access has a range from open to closed. The point you choose along that line directly effects cost and ease of use. Put another way, "Careful what you ask for, you may get it." Best regards, _________________________ Alan Rowland To quote another NANOG poster's sig file that applies to this discussion: "Wrong questions are the leading cause of wrong answers." -----Original Message----- From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:19 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: How secure should it be? (was RE: password stores?) snip... Should we secure routers better, worse or the same as burglar alarms? While I agree there are settings which are insecure, its seems like we haven't figured out the optimum level of security yet. Which may be less than what the experts think.