Howdy, Is there any place where people with experience dealing with DDoS attacks hang out? I'm getting very little assistance from my upstream beyond "call whomever is in charge of each IP attacking and make them stop", and "even though we null route the destination IP being attacked, this traffic will be billed". I've got a nice snippet of flows, so I can mostly see where everything is coming from, and it's obvious what the target is, but my flow-stat/flow-report skills are pretty weak. Oddly, in eight years of working for smallish ISPs I've never been hit very hard, believe it or not. Is the response from my upstream typical? I was expecting a bit more cooperation rather than them seeing as this as an opportunity to bill me for lots of traffic. Thanks, Charles -- Charles Sprickman spork@inch.com