Well, outside of RIR speak, I can't justify quadrupling my cost for what the community considers to be the minimum ISP allocation. Maybe that's a better phrasing? *shrugs* {insert rent is too damn high meme}? This 8 bit network division stuff does make it difficult for ARIN to adequately assess fees, I'm sure. Most anyone could get by with the /32 bucket, which also happens to be the minimum I should be using. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "nanog group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 2:04:48 PM Subject: Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Yes… This is a problem the ARIN board needs to fix post haste, but that’s not justification, that’s cost. Owen
On Oct 2, 2015, at 06:45 , Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
I may be able to justify it to ARIN, but I can't make a quadrupling of ARIN's fees justifiable to me.
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From: "Mel Beckman" <mel@beckman.org> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "nanog group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 8:35:41 AM Subject: Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption")
Every provider gets a /32, according to ARIN.
IPv6 - INITIAL ALLOCATIONS Type of Resource Request Criteria to Receive Resource ISP Initial Allocation /32 minimum allocation (/36 upon request) NRPM 6.5.1
* Have a previously justified IPv4 ISP allocation from ARIN or one of its predecessor registries, or * Qualify for an IPv4 ISP allocation under current policy, or * Intend to immediately multi-home, or * Provide a reasonable technical justification, including a plan showing projected assignments for one, two, and five year periods, with a minimum of 50 assignments within five years
IPv6 Multiple Discrete Networks /32 minimum allocation (/36 upon request) NRPM 6.11
* be a single entity and not a consortium of smaller independent entities
-mel via cell
On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
Not all providers are large enough to justify a /32.
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From: "Philip Dorr" < tagno25@gmail.com > To: "Rob McEwen" < rob@invaluement.com > Cc: "nanog group" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 11:14:35 PM Subject: Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption")
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Rob McEwen < rob@invaluement.com > wrote:
On 10/1/2015 11:44 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
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<blockquote> IPv6 really isn't much different to IPv4. You use sites /48's
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<blockquote> rather than addresses /32's (which are effectively sites). ISP's
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<blockquote> their isn't infinite numbers of sites that a spammer can get.
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<blockquote> A /48 can be subdivided into 65K subnets. That is 65 *THOUSAND*... not the
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<blockquote> 256 IPs that one gets with an IPv4 /24 block. So if a somewhat legit hoster
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As a provider (ISP or Hosting), you should hand the customers at a minimum a /56, if not a /48. The provider should have at a minimum a /32. If the provider is only giving their customers a /64, then they deserve all the pain they receive.
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