Hello, I just thought of something. We are in the process of purchasing a 4 Mb CIR from another backbone. Now, we have the choice of ATM or standard T3 delivery (over a DS3 either way). Now, if we get ATM, that 4 Mb CIR turns into: [ (53-5)/53 ] * 4 Mb/s = 48/53 * 4 Mb/s = 3.62 Mb/s Because an ATM cell is 53 bytes, but 5 bytes of that is header. Thus we pay for 4 Mb/s and get 3.62 Mb/s. Now, the question is, what is the overhead of the serial (ppp?) protocol running over the T3? Since it is point to point, and not addressed, it should be less, or is this not the case? Any input would be appreciated! Josh Beck jbeck@connectnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONNECTNet INS, Inc. Phone: (619)450-0254 Fax: (619)450-3216 6370 Lusk Blvd., Suite F-208 San Diego, CA 92121 ------------------------------------------------------------------------