I have worked with both Extreme, Juniper, Cisco and Brocade and Avaya. Extreme. Great boxes stable and afforadable when it comes to 10GE and 40GE. Truly one XOS for all boxes, lowend x440 has the same XOS as 48*10GE device.Support sucks very bad though if you can't get your SE to support you. Juniper Great boxes, very nice CLI, good support with a nice ticketsystem and good kb. However I have found alot of bugs that needs to be corrected in the switch series that are somewhat annoying. Cisco Good boxes, expensive great support and a amazing KB. Brocade Good boxed, a tad expensive. Open to opensoucre when it comes to SDN stuff. Avaya Great boxes, SPB all the way =), not a solid true OS yet but some different ones on different boxes, but to my mind the SPB solution gives you the most flexability in a datacenter today and you can even in the long run mix vendors if you like since it's open and standarized. Short rant =) Hope you find the vendor you like the best and by all means take in a couple of them for test. Med vänlig hälsning Andreas Larsen IP-Only Telecommunication AB| Postadress: 753 81 UPPSALA | Besöksadress: S:t Persgatan 6, Uppsala | Telefon: +46 (0)18 843 10 00 | Direkt: +46 (0)18 843 10 56 www.ip-only.se Den 2013-06-19 05:17 skrev Brent Jones <brent@brentrjones.com>:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List < blake.mailinglist@pfankuch.me> wrote:
Howdy, I have been working on a proposal for the organization I work for to move into the 10gbit datacenter. We have a small datacenter currently of about 1000 ports of 1gbit. We have traditionally been a full Cisco shop, however I was asked to do a price comparison as well as features with other major alternative vendors. I was also asked to do some digging as far as what "the real world" thinks about these possible vendors.
We currently have 2 Cisco 6509's with 8 48 port cards Sup 3BXL, 2 Cisco 4506 with 5x 48 port card and Sup V's and 2 4900M switches providing 10gbit to a very specialized implementation. With all of our technology, we try to not be bleeding edge, but oozing edge. We need 5 9's or more of uptime yearly so stability is preferable to cool features. We currently have single supervisors in all of our switches (not my decision) and it has bit us recently. Everything we are looking at needs to support NSF/SSO/VSS of some kind.
What we have been looking to replace it with in Cisco world is Nexus 7004 Core and Nexus 5596UP with 2200 series Fabric extenders for Dist/Access as well as 2200 Fabric Extenders within our Dell Blade Chassis. Realistically we will be under 800 ports of 10gbit (excluding Blades) which puts us in a tough spot from what I can find. Currently everything we have is EOR, however TOR would make more sense allowing us to switch to SFP+ twinax connectivity to servers.
With this in mind, I have a few questions...
It was mandated that I look at a company "Arista Networks" and investigate possible options. I had not heard much about them, so I look to the experts. Pro's and Con's? Real world experience? Looks to me they have a lot of cool features, but I'm slightly concerned with how new they might be, how reliable it would be as well as their QA/bugfix history. Also 24x4 support and hardware replacement. Everything in our datacenter currently has a 2 or 4 hour cisco contract on it and critical core components have a cold spare in inventory.
Dell Force 10... I know Dell tries to get you to drink the Koolaid on this solution, I was a former Dell Partner and they even pushed me to get demo equipment going... What's the experience with their chassis switches? Stability? Configuration sanity? What do people like? What do people hate?
Juniper. What do people like? What do people hate? Have the Layer 2 issues of historical age gone away? Is the config still xml ish? It has been about 5 years since I worked with anything Juniper.
Extreme networks. I know very little about them historically. What is good, what is bad? Is the config sane?
I would be happy to compile any information I find, as well as our sanitized internal conclusions. On and off list responses welcome.
If there is another vendor anyone would suggest, please add them to the list with similarly asked questions.
Thanks!
Blake
Coming from first hand experience, all network equipment vendors have strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I prefer the Junos CLI and ecosystem, but it is a learning curve, especially with a larger team who may not be familiar with it. But I found once I grasped the "Junos way", I'm significantly more productive with less errors, and "commit confirmed" is much better than Cisco comparable rollback methods. Juniper also offers several methods for automation: Junoscript/SLAX, Netconf, and now Puppet integration.
I also have experience with Force10, and minor experience with Arista, both good vendors. They will be immieditely familiar to your team, since they use the same commands mostly. I find Juniper's virtual chassis to be among the better stacking technologies, but everyone has their own take. Force10 and Arista do really good multi-chassis LAG, as well as the Juniper QFX lineup.
These days, vendors are really competitive on pricing and offerings, so you really can't go wrong :)
-- Brent Jones brent@brentrjones.com