Hi Bill,
On 2/12/22 8:55 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> It's tunnel mode plus a tunneling protocol plus some implicit routing
> and firewalling which gets in the way of dynamic routing.
I assume you meant to say that it's /transport/ mode plus a tunneling
protocol.
I wonder if you are thinking more of an IPSec VPN management suite of
sorts, e.g. wizard / helper that is included in some devices. I'm
thinking at a very low (manual) level. The "implicit routing" and
"firewalling" are the strongest indicators of this to me. The manual
IPSec that I've done on Linux (via the `ip xfrm` command) doesn't touch
firewalling and I believe that addresses inside the tunnel would be
completely separate operations / commands.
> Try it if you don't believe me. Set up tunnel mode ipsec manually on
> two nodes (no IKE) and get them talking to each other. Then change
> one to transport mode and add I think it's an IPIP tunnel but I don't
> remember for certain. And add the appropriate routes into the tunnel
> virtual device. You'll find they talk.
Unfortunately I don't have the leisure time to do this experimentation
currently. As such I'm going to put this on my to-do pile for future
investigation ~> follow up.
I do not recall reading about IPSec /Tunnel/ mode re-using an existing
tunneling protocol; IPIP, etc. Perhaps I'm misremembering. Perhaps it
inherently does so without declaring as such.
> What did you think IPSec was doing? Transport mode encrypts the layer
> 4 and up of the packet between two machines; it doesn't encapsulate
> it. When they added tunnel mode, the inner layer 3 had to go somewhere.
My understanding is that /Transport/ mode applies AH (no encryption) and
/ or ESP (encryption) to L4 datagrams and that /Tunnel/ mode does the
same to L3 packets.
P.S. I'm sending this reply to NANOG in case anyone else has any
contribution / comments. I suspect any future reply will be directly to
Bill as this is getting further off topic, both for NANOG in general and
for this VPN recommendations thread.
--
Grant. . . .
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