No doubt I'll get flamed to hell by some folks for this(but this wouldn't be Nanog without it), however if this character is doing what is described below you might want to make sure it isn't happening to you and your users at this very moment, moreso since 9netave, the organization hosting the site is apparently refusing to take action to stop a clear case of credit fraud. Value Net, http://www.value.net is an ISP located in Walnut Creek, California, which I have an account with. It appears that a scam artist decided to set up http://www.valuehelp.net, which copies the site design, logos, etc. and pops up with a javascript alert saying "This is a secure Value Net server," and has a place to enter account info & credit card. They then proceeded to send email to Value Net customers telling them that they needed to go there and re-enter their information, including credit card info. According to information provided to me, 9netave is in no uncertain terms is refusing to take down the site without a court order. Beware... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/