I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long time. What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service providers. It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics aren't going to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.
Of course. :) Cheers, Rajiv -----Original Message----- From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:01 AM To: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com> Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmotte1@mac.com>, nanog list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN
On Apr 8, 2013, at 20:23 , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote:
I agree. Apple does it really well, no doubt about it. This is because they control both the software and hardware.
Google/Android çan not do it well enough, since the Android OS version compatibility with the hardware is somewhat dictated by the hardware manufacturer. This isn't always helpful. :-(
But they can actually push pretty well if they had some killer app. that everyone used and could supply some update that nobody could live without on said killer app.
Then you just need to flag said update as "requires Android version X" and poof... All the pressure you need to get everyone running droid up to X. (Including all the pressure needed to get consumers to push the device maker.)
For ex, there are numerous android apps that are not supported on many android devices. :=(
They must not be very important to the bulk of the android users.
Anyway, this is why I think that dual-stack home networks (and UEs) will be with us for a long time.
I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long time. What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service providers. It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics aren't going to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.
Owen
Cheers, Rajiv
-----Original Message----- From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 8:52 PM To: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com> Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmotte1@mac.com>, nanog list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN
On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:54 , Rajiv Asati (rajiva) <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote:
Like you, I would like to be optimistic about many v4-only apps and v4-only devices becoming dual-stack sooner than later.
But knowing that a significant (50%+) of android devices may not support IPv6 (just like my brand new Samsung Galaxy 7'' tablet (just bought over the weekend) being v4-only) and may not be upgraded by their users to the right software, and that Skype etc. apps are out there, my optimism fades away.
The upgrade problem isn't that hard to solve. As soon as users want to use something that doesn't work without the upgrade, the upgrades get installed.
Apple does a great job of this...
Every time they release an iOS upgrade I really don't want, they manage to also release an update to software that I do care about. That software update inherently requires me to accept the iOS upgrade.
Owen