In a message written on Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 11:29:23AM -0400, Adam Kujawski wrote:
Who, besides Sean, has maps like this? The state PUC? If so, is that information available to the public? Do you have to go thorugh a background check and/or sign an NDA? Or is it only the providers themselves that have the maps for this stuff?
Most providers give you maps on their web sites, or, even if you show remote interest as a potential "customer" you can get some sort of glossy not under NDA. While not very detailed, these can lead you to the right locations to request blueprints from state agencies (departments of transportaion for cables along roads, PUC's, local permiting agencies), or give you likely addresses to call into 1-800-MISS-UTILITY or similar numbers. Indeed, in most areas a call to the utility locator is not necessary. I'm sure we've all seen driving down the road all the major providers clearly marked on the sidewalks from all sorts of normal utility/road maintenance. Long haul may not be clearly marked for 10's of miles on end, but in a sense it's easier to locate as it almost always follows some other well know infrastructure, like rail lines, roadways, gas pipelines, etc. So, the notion any of this is secret, or hard to find is bunk. Finding some specific bit (I want to know where the cable is at the corner of streets a & b) may be hard, but finding say, AT&T's cable at at least 5 places in a city probably takes 30 minutes of walking around looking at the ground. Even with the people who plan for dual failures 5-10 simultaneous cuts would probably take them down every time, and no one would pay attention to a group of grubby workers with a backhoe on a corner sitting around doing nothing. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org