Actually, we have been pretty happy with UUNet. The technical people seem quite competent and their network is reliable and adequately provisioned. Of course, YMMV. Personally, I think most salespeople are worthless. What I want out of a salesperson is an order taker and someone to send me information I request. I don't want high pressure sales or making up facts. Our own salespeople do this and it annoys me to no end, and I am sure that some of our potential customers feel the same way and go elsewhere. I have been known to go out of my way to avoid buying from a pushy salesperson, but in general I don't hold it against the company if they have a decent product. John Tamplin Traveller Information Services jat@Traveller.COM 2104 West Ferry Way 256/705-7007 - FAX 256/705-7100 Huntsville, AL 35801